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01 May 2007 @ 02:29 am
 
Previously, on Heroes...



* "You're not supposed to be here."
* Sylar exploded!
* "This is a map of time."
* Hiro tried to kill Sylar and failed.
* Future Matt, Homeland Security, 'terrorists.'
* Go get Future Peter!
* His girlfriend... Jessica? "The war's over."
* Scar!
* Micah's gone, ouch.
* 'making us choose sides'
* "Send in the professor."
* (Hey, that's the shot from the painting.)
* 'reversing the condition' 'separate species' "These events are increasing."
* Bennet and Wireless putting heroes in hiding. "Do whatever it takes to protect him."
* "The other is the day I received my father's ashes."
* Claire the Brunette, waitressing, just like Charlie. "The creepy guy with the glasses is back."
* Linderman Act, hee.
* Super Peter!
* "Turn you on to the dangerous refugees..."
* Mommy and me
* Ending our agreement!
* "History doesn't happen like this."
* And, Future Ando is dead, as suspected.
* "Without Sylar, the would will never consider these people to be dangerous..."
* Ordering Suresh to put him down!
* ZOMG THAT ISN'T NATHAN "This girl named Candice allowed me to become president."
* Jessica is gone! And Peter was the bomb!
* Homeland Security's finest.
* "The nightmare is over. The world is safe."
* The missing comic book!
* "Future Me! Is good guy!"
* "The Haitian is down!"
* "Now the hard part..."

Next week: Molly!

Man. The hard part is not ending every note with an exclamation point!

So, in this future, they *had* saved the cheerleader also, so Future Hiro's warning was heeded anyways. So what needs to change...

Tonight's cool comics reference: so, there was a classic X-men tale, Days of Future Past, set in a dark alternate future (2013 AD, just about five years from now) where mutants are an even more persecuted and hunted species. One of the leaders of the resistance, Sebastian Shaw, was hiding as a rancher in Texas. Like Bennet in tonight's episode.
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Carrie: Future Hiroaijoskobi on May 1st, 2007 08:58 am (UTC)
What needs to change is Hiro has to kill Sylar. Saving the cheerleader just made it possible.

What I wanna know is, how do they stop Peter from exploding? I'm guessing Sylar has something to do with the explosion because if he dies the world is saved. But what does Sylar have to do with *Peter* exploding?

Also, the Hiro/Ando stuff made me a little teary because I love Hiro/Ando to tiny tiny little Asian bits.

I. Love! This. Show!

OH! And! We still don't know: How does Peter get the scar? If he has Claire's healing ability (and, as we saw tonight, he doesn't seem to ever lose a learned ability) how could he ever wind up with a scar?

My guess: he sustained an injury during the explosion that caused the scar but he didn't let it heal on purpose so he'd be reminded of that day every time he looks in the mirror. He's emo like that.

3 more episodes! Can't wait! :D
The Antichrist: The Monarchtheantichrist on May 1st, 2007 04:37 pm (UTC)
My guess would be that Peter got his scar in an encounter with / near the Haitian, and then probably had to run away.
nazgulpseudotheist on May 1st, 2007 11:17 am (UTC)
O.k. So...

As I understand it, "Future Hiro" was from a timeline where Sylar killed Claire at the high school? So how did he get into the timeline where Claire is still alive? Can he jump into alternate timelines also now? I really think they're just hoping no one pays attention when they make large-scale use of Hiro's powers.

Oh, and how many "days of Future Past Participle" derivative comics did you have to read through to dig up a story about Sebastian Shaw?
rshackleford: lincoln schauzerrshackleford on May 1st, 2007 11:43 am (UTC)
days of Future Past Participle

Hee hee. If only they were named like that: Future Past Pluperfect!
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Alora Danaeprehensile_wit on May 1st, 2007 11:35 am (UTC)
Well now, there's the rub. Does Future Hiro know that it was Peter, not Skylar, who was the explosion? You'd think he'd have to know, though it doesn't indicate they're all that close/talk too frequently.

But yeah, maybe something about killing Skylar prevents Peter from going nuclear.

And I agree, this is the future assuming they did save the cheerleader, but Hiro has not yet defeated Skylar. Also, part of me really really wanted nothing more than to have future and past guys sit down and talk through all the details. "Ok. When *exactly* are you from, what's the last thing that happened?" Being hunted/rushed was a good device to prevent that, but I still craved it.

"There's something I have to tell you..." Bzzzzzt. Sigh.

Future Peter was so amazingly unbeatable. Made me happy. But, dangit, he has been around Matt, why the heck can't he read minds? (Like, for example, not!Nathan's?)
PMMJ: Captain Planet!cheetahmaster on May 1st, 2007 05:09 pm (UTC)
I think Matt has to concentrate to read minds, thusly, so would Peter. And, as noted, rushed.
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Blinkysqueegibo on May 1st, 2007 12:00 pm (UTC)
Did you pick up on how they changed the timeline during the show? It was most obvious when futureHiro spoke to Bennet and said "your daughter's alive, remember?" Bennet got all confused for a sec, then agreed, then we saw Claire waitressing, like Claire had gotten killed but the past slowly changed after Hiro and Ando appeared.

Pretty well done if you ask me.
Lizammitnox on May 1st, 2007 03:54 pm (UTC)
Hmm, I didn't interpret it that way.
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Super Karate Monkey Death Carfrecklefaerie on May 1st, 2007 12:22 pm (UTC)
omg that fight at the end! Peter burned red! I've completely come around to the fan girl side about Peter after this episode.
Dreamerlilmymble on May 1st, 2007 01:00 pm (UTC)
Well, even in the future where claire didn't die, Bennet still faked her death apparently so no one else knew she didn't die (except Parkman who was apparently keeping that secret as well)

My theory on why the world was messed up was that since Past Hiro got captured in the future he never made it back to stop sylar. So an event in the future prevented an event in the past from happening which is why it wasn't on future Hiro's timeline.
PMMJ: Crazy Harry!cheetahmaster on May 1st, 2007 01:56 pm (UTC)
stupid time-travel
Well, even in the future where claire didn't die, Bennet still faked her death apparently so no one else knew she didn't die (except Parkman who was apparently keeping that secret as well)

So, when Future Hiro came back to Oct. 4th, he was giving incorrect advice? Since saving the cheerleader, um, already happened?
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Lord Multiplexer, King of Michiganmultiplexer on May 1st, 2007 01:40 pm (UTC)
I am so full of happy for the Days of Future Past references and the big Hiro/Peter vs. Bad Guys fight at the end there are NO WORDS FOR HOW FULL OF HAPPY I AM.

The Peter vs. Sylar thing at the end ruled beyond all words! SQUEE! *explode from happy*
MsCongeniality: Petermscongeniality on May 1st, 2007 01:47 pm (UTC)
Greg Beeman totally acknowledges the 'Days of Future Past' homage in his blog entry on this episode. Some really interesting stuff in there, I really liked the bit on Adrian Pasdar's prep for Sylar-as-Nathan.
PMMJ: Space Jerkcheetahmaster on May 1st, 2007 01:53 pm (UTC)
[Is it spoiler-free?]
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224215152: Pancakes224215152 on May 1st, 2007 01:54 pm (UTC)
So, in this future, they *had* saved the cheerleader also, so Future Hiro's warning was heeded anyways. So what needs to change...

They didn't save the cheerleader. Future Hiro said that he cut Sylar with his sword, but Sylar had Claire's regeneration ability, so Hiro's attack didn't work. He went back in time to warn Peter so that Sylar wouldn't get Claire's power. Because Future Peter never saved Claire, he never got her regeneration, which is how he managed to get the scar.

Or something. This is why people hate timetravel. ;)
Disoculated: Hazarddisoculated on May 1st, 2007 02:18 pm (UTC)
My theory is that Sylar did get Claire's ability in the Gym, and she regenerated or he got his regeneration from the other healing Hero.

In the first case, Hiro could actually be on the path to fixing everything. In the second, well, damn things look bad.

I'm also very concerned that Sylar's last act in the episode before this one was to paint a picture of himself in the White House. So far, no painting has come up wrong.
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sailormomsailormom on May 1st, 2007 03:13 pm (UTC)
Matt
I don't understand why he didn't shoot "Nathan" when he stuck his arm through the door? You'd think he would have at least have been interested enough to look back, he would have seen "Nathan" turn into Sylar, he could have shot him when he went after Peter.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
It's a shame, I really like dhim in the begining, but he becomes more and more of a dick :/
They'd better fix things!!
PMMJ: Gamingcheetahmaster on May 1st, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Matt
Future Matt was a total dick. Janice must have been a good influence on him, and losing her (and his Special Kid) musta really hurt. And, really, he's never been the smartest cookie on the block. But I still like Not-Future Matt.
keep it darksnidegrrl on May 2nd, 2007 11:05 pm (UTC)
I tried to read all these comments but man, I give up. It's just fun to watch.
PMMJ: TVcheetahmaster on May 2nd, 2007 11:11 pm (UTC)
That's the best part: just watching is still fun!

PS-> Velcome home!
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reese99reese99 on May 4th, 2007 04:25 pm (UTC)
Did anyone catch the bit where Hiro was talking about his training with the sword, where he said 'technically it's battousai-jutsu' or something along those lines. If that's what he actually said, it's a reference to Rurouni Kenshin. Can anyone confirm or clarify?
reese99reese99 on May 4th, 2007 04:26 pm (UTC)
Also, anyone know what power Syler is using in the fight against Peter, where his hand is blue? Cold? Electricity? Do we know where that came from?
PMMJ: Comicscheetahmaster on May 4th, 2007 04:33 pm (UTC)
When Matt first learns about Sylar, the FBI chick was investigating a murder where the victim appears to have been frozen solid and the top of his head was cut off.

She mentioned at that point that they suspected Sylar in (I believe) five murders. Of those, we know about the telekinetic and the freeze guy. We don't, to the best of my recollection, know about the other three.

(I believe we have seen him use another power, where he says something REALLY LOUD and it blows back the target. This *could* be mixing the telekinesis and Eden's powers, but IMHO it isn't. Anyways. Speculation there.)