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03 April 2003 @ 07:51 am
 

Yeah, last night was bebe night for me, so the Angel discussion starts *now*.

* Skip is evil? Nooo. I don't like having too many wacky modern demons, but he was the archetype. I'll miss the lil' guy.
* I'm a big fan of the Whedonverse cosmology of Good being intangible and inscrutable, and Evil being very tangible and obvious. In general.
* OK, I am done defending Connor. Holst must be rolling over in his grave. Who knew his upbringing could have gone so wrong!
* Whoah, Darla as the voice of reason? I like.
* And AW YEAH, it's Zoe from Firefly. Sah-weet.

And now, the big discussion. The Super-Evil Cordelia Mastermind plan. With *everything* and *all these plot points* leading up to this finale. Were this a show finale, I would understand. However, with that being up in the air, I am unsure about it.

Part of my feelings also come from the 'shocking swerve' category. This is a wrestling term, for when the writers have someone go from good to evil, or some other shocking storyline development, to get people's attention or what have you. This can really work, but other times, it can be really forced or not make sense. This was a problem I had with Smallville a couple weeks ago (when we get the secret message from the ship.) That the storyline reason might be contrived, just to make it *a shocking twist.* And I kind of got the same feeling last night, with *everything* leading up to this point. It can still work, but I am wary, and now the onus is on the writers, who *better* deliver. If you're gonna tie up a lot of things in the backstory in this one Season-Ender storyline, it has to be more than a monster of the week.

I didn't explain that well, but, yeah.

Wesley: You were mortal enemies. Why should you care what happened to her?
Angel: Because you did.
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Mrs. Raarjudithiscariot on April 3rd, 2003 05:28 am (UTC)
i liked it, even though i kept screaming at connor "JESUS FUCK HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID."

and normally i hate darla, but ok, so i hate her a little less now.

and they're retconning like motherfuckers, but im not sure i dislike it.

certainly ten times better than buffy.
PMMJ: Jade Scorpioncheetahmaster on April 3rd, 2003 05:50 am (UTC)
i liked it, even though i kept screaming at connor "JESUS FUCK HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID."

Done defending him. He let her talk him into sacrificing a virgin. You'd think someone raised by the previous century's most infamous monster hunter would think "maybe that's not a good idea."

and they're retconning like motherfuckers, but im not sure i dislike it.

It entirely depends on where they go with it. If the show continues into another season, they will have a big burden with which to work.

Oh, I guess I should have mentioned earlier, I liked last night's episode. Even with Evil Skip and Stupider Connor. Heh.
Jen: kittiesexamorata on April 3rd, 2003 07:24 am (UTC)
Yep, the bloom is off the rose for Connor! STU.PID.

I did like it, though I do wonder about that whole "Everything you've ever done is leading up to this" bit. They stopped short of mentioning the sacrifice of Doyle, etc. etc. but still.

It /does/ add to the gravity of just how bad this BAD is when you think of these imaginary lines coming to intersect right now. And I like the tack they're taking with Mrs. Laurence Fishburne as All That Is Evil.

MAN that was a good Skip/Angel fight.
PMMJ: Jade Scorpioncheetahmaster on April 3rd, 2003 07:36 am (UTC)
I did like it, though I do wonder about that whole "Everything you've ever done is leading up to this" bit. They stopped short of mentioning the sacrifice of Doyle, etc. etc. but still.

See, i even thought that was sort of implied, since that's how she got the powers in the first place.

It /does/ add to the gravity of just how bad this BAD is when you think of these imaginary lines coming to intersect right now. And I like the tack they're taking with Mrs. Laurence Fishburne as All That Is Evil.

It does, yeah, but then we get back to the Glory problem. What do you do after this? Angel was better about not escalating the Monster of the Season issue, since it had better storytelling.

Oh, and who would win in a fight between Glory and Mrs. Laurence Fishburne? INQUIRING FANFIC WRITERS WANT TO KNOW.

MAN that was a good Skip/Angel fight.

The fight choreography is consistently higher on Angel, and this season they've also been very good at using limited slow-motion to make it all look better and more important. It makes me happy.
Strange Detractor: bulbaprofessorbooty on April 4th, 2003 08:15 pm (UTC)
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I can't take the "she's so beautiful" thing seriously when I don't agree. I mean, sure, it's a magical aura or whatever, but dammit she has that lots-of-gums-showing-smile that I hate. Dealbreaker.

I was very irritated that Angel didn't kill Connor and Cordelia immediately upon figuring out what was going on. I had time to say "do it" at least twice while he looked at Cordelia and made sad-eyes.

Still, I liked the episode. But yeah, I hope the villainess doesn't go all Glory on us. And I wanna see the tentacled monstrosity behind the pretty face. At least she doesn't have time to suck for long, unless she's the new Wolfram & Hart.
PMMJ: Jade Scorpioncheetahmaster on April 6th, 2003 07:51 am (UTC)
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I can't take the "she's so beautiful" thing seriously when I don't agree. I mean, sure, it's a magical aura or whatever, but dammit she has that lots-of-gums-showing-smile that I hate. Dealbreaker.

Well, me and Lawrence Fishburne disagree with you, so we will leave it at that.

Still, I liked the episode. But yeah, I hope the villainess doesn't go all Glory on us. And I wanna see the tentacled monstrosity behind the pretty face. At least she doesn't have time to suck for long, unless she's the new Wolfram & Hart.

Actually, less tentacled monstrosity the better, IMHO. Give the Whedonverse credit where it's due, but too often when we see the monster, it's a guy in a big rubber suit. Special effects aren't their forte.